Let’s Get Really Technical:
A couple of us have actually talked about developing an on-line tonnage calculating website. It would be comprised of a database that held values and asked questions like; Strength values (Tensile) for most common materials (A), Shear strength values for several processes/rule types/ejection, etc…(B), Number of inches being cut (C), Thickness of the material (D). A X B X C X D = Tons 2,000
In fact, this is exactly how many software stress analysis programs work. They take a set of very obvious variables and make a simple calculation based on these (and other) numbers. It gives you a very consistent way of looking at every project you take on. Right or wrong, the answer is a base number to start with, and that is what we have gathered is the trick to determining proper starting tonnage numbers. Once you have this standard formula in place and trust that it will give you that base number, you can then depend on it and translate it to work in different machinery on your shop floor. Perhaps you have a string of ten punch presses and they all cut a little different. One is hydraulic, one is pneumatic, one is mechanical off a simple small cam while another throws off a giant flywheel that was welded back together by Uncle Joe a few years back. They all cut differently but they all have a factor you can use as a multiplier against that base number we just calculated out. It’s beautifully simple really, it just takes some time to develop and work out in your own shop, on your own equipment. Once you have that number, everyone can plan around the equipment you have vs. the projects you have with more confidence.
So then the formula may look like this;
(A X B X C X D) F = Tons (Where F is a press factor based on experience and/or a manufacturers guidelines.) 2,000 Putting this into a real life situation may look something like this; I have a ten up steel rule die cutting and creasing .018” paperboard. There are 1,000 total inches of cutting, creasing, stripping, support knives etc… I am using modern ejection materials. I am cutting on a platen style press.
17000(A) X 1(B) X 1,000(C) X .018(D) X 1(F) = 153 Tons. 2,000
Simple Formulas from above; C/6.5 = Tons (1,000 / 6.5 = 153.8 Tons) or (C X 400) / 2,000 = Tons (1,000 X 400) / 2,000 = 200 Tons
Both formulas work and give us a range that is safe and a good starting point.
Now Let’s Get Really Simple:
What seems to happen with all this fancy calculating in real world situations is that the base theory gets boiled down to simple formulas that work for similar situations. Most of us deal in very similar tooling and materials everyday and having a very fast and simple way of coming up with a safe base number is natural. If you are always working in paperboard in about the same caliper, taking the total periphery and dividing by a single proven number is a fantastic way to approach tonnage calculating. The same goes for plastic, steel, leather, or anything else you cut on a regular basis.
So, this article is not going to give a catch-all formula for determining tonnage for all materials on all press types, with all tools, because there are too many factors involved and nobody would ever use it in real life. What we can do is offer a base calculation where you plug in your own numbers based on experience. Your own situation will provide the best formula for you.
That base calculation would look like this;
Total Periphery to Convert X Material Factor / 2,000 = Tons Needed
Developing a living chart of MATERIAL FACTORS will then be the key to making this work in your business. We’ve been using paperboard a good deal in our discussions and it seems that a starting point for a folding carton manufacturer on a Flatbed style press would be a MATERIAL FACTOR of 300. The heavier gauge the material is the bigger the Material Factor. (1,000 Inches X 300) / 2,000 = 150 Tons Keep in mind that if your cutting process changes, maybe it’s as simple as going to a harder rubber or steeper bevel rule, you will have to use a multiplier to compensate for this change.
There is no trick of the trade in calculating the tonnage you need for a project but as you develop a more and more sophisticated list of materials and how they process on your equipment, you will have an estimating and production tool that will help you predict with greater accuracy how well a job will run, where it should run, how many up it can run, and whether or not it will run at all. You will have a leg up on the competition that is still shooting from the hip and this will really put the pressure on them…..
We’d like to thank all of the operators out there that are trying to improve their production techniques and came to The TECHTEAM with their questions!
A couple of us have actually talked about developing an on-line tonnage calculating website. It would be comprised of a database that held values and asked questions like; Strength values (Tensile) for most common materials (A), Shear strength values for several processes/rule types/ejection, etc…(B), Number of inches being cut (C), Thickness of the material (D). A X B X C X D = Tons 2,000
In fact, this is exactly how many software stress analysis programs work. They take a set of very obvious variables and make a simple calculation based on these (and other) numbers. It gives you a very consistent way of looking at every project you take on. Right or wrong, the answer is a base number to start with, and that is what we have gathered is the trick to determining proper starting tonnage numbers. Once you have this standard formula in place and trust that it will give you that base number, you can then depend on it and translate it to work in different machinery on your shop floor. Perhaps you have a string of ten punch presses and they all cut a little different. One is hydraulic, one is pneumatic, one is mechanical off a simple small cam while another throws off a giant flywheel that was welded back together by Uncle Joe a few years back. They all cut differently but they all have a factor you can use as a multiplier against that base number we just calculated out. It’s beautifully simple really, it just takes some time to develop and work out in your own shop, on your own equipment. Once you have that number, everyone can plan around the equipment you have vs. the projects you have with more confidence.
So then the formula may look like this;
(A X B X C X D) F = Tons (Where F is a press factor based on experience and/or a manufacturers guidelines.) 2,000 Putting this into a real life situation may look something like this; I have a ten up steel rule die cutting and creasing .018” paperboard. There are 1,000 total inches of cutting, creasing, stripping, support knives etc… I am using modern ejection materials. I am cutting on a platen style press.
17000(A) X 1(B) X 1,000(C) X .018(D) X 1(F) = 153 Tons. 2,000
Simple Formulas from above; C/6.5 = Tons (1,000 / 6.5 = 153.8 Tons) or (C X 400) / 2,000 = Tons (1,000 X 400) / 2,000 = 200 Tons
Both formulas work and give us a range that is safe and a good starting point.
Now Let’s Get Really Simple:
What seems to happen with all this fancy calculating in real world situations is that the base theory gets boiled down to simple formulas that work for similar situations. Most of us deal in very similar tooling and materials everyday and having a very fast and simple way of coming up with a safe base number is natural. If you are always working in paperboard in about the same caliper, taking the total periphery and dividing by a single proven number is a fantastic way to approach tonnage calculating. The same goes for plastic, steel, leather, or anything else you cut on a regular basis.
So, this article is not going to give a catch-all formula for determining tonnage for all materials on all press types, with all tools, because there are too many factors involved and nobody would ever use it in real life. What we can do is offer a base calculation where you plug in your own numbers based on experience. Your own situation will provide the best formula for you.
That base calculation would look like this;
Total Periphery to Convert X Material Factor / 2,000 = Tons Needed
Developing a living chart of MATERIAL FACTORS will then be the key to making this work in your business. We’ve been using paperboard a good deal in our discussions and it seems that a starting point for a folding carton manufacturer on a Flatbed style press would be a MATERIAL FACTOR of 300. The heavier gauge the material is the bigger the Material Factor. (1,000 Inches X 300) / 2,000 = 150 Tons Keep in mind that if your cutting process changes, maybe it’s as simple as going to a harder rubber or steeper bevel rule, you will have to use a multiplier to compensate for this change.
There is no trick of the trade in calculating the tonnage you need for a project but as you develop a more and more sophisticated list of materials and how they process on your equipment, you will have an estimating and production tool that will help you predict with greater accuracy how well a job will run, where it should run, how many up it can run, and whether or not it will run at all. You will have a leg up on the competition that is still shooting from the hip and this will really put the pressure on them…..
We’d like to thank all of the operators out there that are trying to improve their production techniques and came to The TECHTEAM with their questions!
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ReplyDeletethis is some really insightful information
i have looked over and over the net for information and relevant documentation a inline flatbed reel press/die cutter which also has offsett printing units, so as to put together a step by step tutorial for new operators.
This helps immensely, thanks again!
Thank you so much for this information! I, just like the above commenter, had been searching for information on this for a long time before I found your site - thank you it saved my day!
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